I have to set the record straight. One of the most annoying misconceptions I have to deal with is that I’m an “8o’s guy.”
“Yo, Flock Of Seagulls!”
Nothing could be further from the truth. I’m a bit older then that. My ears were intrigued by the New Wave/Post-Punk axis of musical development in the late 70’s. The music that I’m still writing about and considering was forged in the infamous malaise of the late 70’s when social and economic stagnation held the middle classes at bay. Unemployment was up as the buying power of our currency was down. America was still hung over from the tumultuous second four years of the Nixon administration. Watergate threatened to tear the country apart with a Constitutional crisis, while the costly Vietnam war limped to its fractious conclusion. The latter has cast a particularly long shadow over the nation. And that’s just the American side of the equation.
Across the pond, the UK were laboring under the same economic hardships (driven by the oil embargo) and a fluctuating balance of power in multinational energy policy. The infamous “Winter of Discontent” saw James Callaghan’s Labour Government given a no-confidence vote that saw Margaret Thatcher swept into power in a wave that would be replicated in America the following year, with the depressingly similar Ronald Reagan taking the White House.
The seventies, which some would say were presaged by the killing at Altamonte Speedway, and fully inaugurated by the US National Guard killing its own citizens who were not yet old enough to vote, limped to a conclusion that painted the decade as a never-ending series of disasters. Apart from hints of social justice gains made by women and gays, the decade was one huge downer to grow up in. Many people were of the opinion that the status quo was something to rebel against.
If you were Gene Simmons, the seventies were the best time in the world! If not, well, that was your tough luck. I grew up listening to seventies top 40 music because I didn’t know any better. I had no siblings to point the way forward for me. Occasionally, a glimmer of something more filtered down to me; an “Autobahn,” or “Love Is The Drug,” that showed that there were musicians out there looking beyond the obvious, and asking questions that groups like KISS were incapable of asking!
So by the time that Punk Rock happened, [and that was over by the time I had a handle on it] I was left with Post-Punk and New Wave music that was addressing my values in ways that pop music had only hinted at previously. And all of this was happening in the late seventies. I keyed into this during the ’78-’79 period and there were so many genuinely exciting things happening musically, that all of a sudden those Alan Parson’s Project albums seemed not just insipid, but insulting [the writing was on the wall with “I, Robot” anyway…].
The subhead of this blog states “Searching for divinity in records from ’78-’85 or so…” and even that’s generous. The ’78-’81 period was a tremendous period of musical development that saw enormous growth in a multitude of directions. ’81-’85 is the sound of the wave crashing to the shore and flattening out. Stripped down punk, anxious New Wave, synthesizers, machine rock, female performers, and artistic stances that dared not to be “good music.” I’ll never forget seeing DEVO on Saturday Night Live performing their version of “Satisfaction.” For the first 90 seconds I thought it was the worst thing I’d ever heard as I knee-jerked my way through it, only to conclude that “…I must have that album, now!!!” by the time the last chord died out.
It was an explosion of sound that reverberated for several years afterward, but like all events, it came to an end. I pin the terminus at 1985 on my blog subhead, but the contraction started probably around 1982. That was the first year that not quite as many amazing and vital records hit the racks. 1983 brought a paradigm shift as the previously exciting UK charts were assaulted by the likes of Wham and Culture club; proffering watered down soul music that offered succor to the status quo. Like any decade, the character of any new decade takes some time to reveal itself and the eighties really manifested itself during this time. Thatcher and Reagan were calling the shots. It was their way or the highway. If it didn’t make money, it made no sense.
So by 1983 – 1984, there was a lot of music happening that traded off on the new energy and technology of the Post-Punk period; synthesizers and drum machines were even on Bruce Springsteen records of this time. That says it all, really. The eighties can be microcosmically modeled by examining the career of Post-Punk metainfluence David Bowie.
His material of the late seventies is a hugely influential exploration of experimental music that he synthesized into popular form and managed to get on the UK charts. Every act from the late 70s I like was influenced by David Bowie, and during that time, they had to compete with him on the charts as well! His albums of this period are my personal favorites of his canon: “Low,” “Heroes,” Lodger,” and “Scary Monsters [And Supercreeps].” Probably his as well. Of this time, Bowie referred to the first three in the folowing quote from 2001.
“Nothing else sounded like these albums.
If I never made another album
it really wouldn’t matter now;
my complete being is within those three.
They are my DNA.”
Apart from the consolidating success of “Scary Monsters,” he’s right. Nothing he did following them mattered much in comparison. Is there a more cogent signifier of the difference between the late 70s and the eighties than the difference between the David Bowie or “Heroes” and the David Bowie of “Let’s Dance?”
The eighties, for my money, lasted from 1983 to 1992 or so. Not so coincidentally, that is precisely the time that David Bowie released an awful series of solo albums that hardly seemed believable, compared to what preceded them in the seventies. There’s always a lag wherein a decade finds its footing as to what it will be about. Take any ten records from 1985 and compare them to any ten records from 1980-1, and for my ears it’s no comparison. There’s a huge qualitative gulf between them. The eighties were a time of drum machines, Fairlights, big hair, mullets, day-glow paisley, huge shoulder pads, and craven, unmitigated greed reflected in records that catered to power. There’s not a lot there for me to like.
So no, I’m not an “eighties guy.” I’m a “late seventies guy.”
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**after reading this reponse back, I realized it is kinda indulgent, but your post is a conversation that I have had more than once regarding music, the 70’s and 80’s and especially Bowie!**
I couldn’t agree more with the points made here Monk!
I too grew up on a diet of Top 40 AM Radio in NYC. Music was always on in my home. But I was the oldest and didn’t have anyone other than my parents to inform me musically. Their music was a mix of Gilbert & Sullivan, Sinatra, Steve & Edie, Broadway and Classical. I was a 70’s 8-Track kid. I still have my Panasonic Dynamite 8-Track player – if only because I own a CBGB’s live and Tuff Darts 8-track album I never replaced with vinyl or cassette.
In 1976 I discovered Rolling Stone Magazine and two NY weeklies – The Village Voice and Soho Weekly News. Through these I started to expand my musical knowledge, and was living vicariously through the performance and album reviews of new Music.
But the breakthrough came a week after my 14th birthday when I snuck off on bus and subway into Manhattan by myself for the first time. My destination was both the East and Greenwich Village. Through adds in The Voice I knew where CBGB’s was as well as Max’s Kansas City further uptown. I also took myself to my first import record store – I believe it was Freebeing Records off St. Marks Place in the East Village.
With the unconditional trust which my parents provided which, as a typical teen, I abused, I learned quickly that in 1977, nobody cared how young you were and over that summer I was able to see Talking Heads & Patti Smith at CB’s as well as shows at Max’s, Great Gildersleeves. My parents never once called to check up on me when I said I was sleeping
over a friends house – and I knew they wouldn’t.
Over the next year I would begin to explore British bands I found in record stores and read about in Trouser Press or The Voice. I became friends with the fans that would hang outside hotels like the Iroquois or Gramercy Park to see bands in town to play. I still have an autograph of Stiv Bators that I basically tackled him to get when he ignored me in what must have been a drugged up haze.
The cap on my musical awakening came with what was called the “Record Breaking Weekend” at WPIX-FM in NY. Basically the station would put on a Lynyrd Skynyrd or Donna Summer song and “run the needle” across the record and then you heard the sound of the vinyl being “broken” and on would come Talking Head’s Psycho Killer, or Elvis Costello’s Radio Radio, or The Ramones’ Blitzkreig Bop. The station went so far in the direction of New Rock n Roll or Underground Rock that they had live concerts remote from Max’s or The Diplomat or Hurrah’s every weekend.
By 1979 I had fully explored David Bowie…I collected everything – even if Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane and Pinups kind of lost me at the time. But something changed around Station to Station and I realized just how different he was. Then the Berlin Trilogy came one after the other and I was hooked. I am unashamed to say that Lodger is still, bar none, my favorite Bowie album. It never ceased to amuse me how worked up my friends get when I point out the beauty and strangeness of Lodger. Along with Fear of Music by The Heads, it is one of those albums that puts a close on the 1970’s.
By the time 1980 came around I had grown away from the downtown NYC music scene and was fully Anglophile in my music taste. Music was The Clash, The Jam, The Banshees, Gary Numan, Ultravox, Buzzcocks to name but a few. Soon it would be Echo & The Bunnymen, Simple Minds, Human League, Magazine, Gang of Four….you get the picture.
I don’t think I would have wanted to grow up during any other time of Rock & Roll. By the mid 70’s the LA sound had ruined rock. Heavy Metal was lumbering and self indulgent and only disco, underground disco, was exploring new sounds. When the punk scenes in NYC and London broke out they mixed everything up for a while and for a few years into the 80’s music was really exciting and new.
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Here here. Like the monk I am so often pegged as an 80’s guy that I thought maybe I oughta trademark it myself. and to a great extent I own it. But I’m constantly reminding folks that so many of my musical heroes (from Blondie and the rest of the CBGB scene to Kraftwerk and scads of Brit postpunk acts) got their start and had career peaks in the 70’s. I guess we do diverge in that I am also a fan of scads of 80’s “new pop” (yes – Culture Club, Thompson Twins, Howard Jones, etc) that you clearly disdain. And for the record, I had some seriously BIG hair in the mid-80’s.
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Taffy – Actually, I liked New Pop, but I define that as lasting briefly from ’81-’82 and it was over and done with for me then. This article is packed with material I truly love and for the most part, own. Though I am down on Culture Club, I’d still save “Do You Really Want To Hurt Me” from the shredder. I even have a CD of “Kissing To Be Clever” just to have that song. Weirdly enough, it got breakout airplay in Orlando months before becoming a pop hit from the local “cool jazz” station, where I heard it while in art classes.
I love early Thompson Twins. Their material on Hansa is incredible. Arista, less so, and with time, kind of diabolical. “Into the Gap” is the dividing line for me, though I did buy “Big Trash” and found it vastly better than the two albums that preceded it. I never heard the last one or Babble material. HoJo is yet another Rupert Hine production I disliked. If only the guy would stop producing music I disliked and keep making his amazing records that no one but me buys I’d be quite happy.
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